(Edited excerpt of the final portion of Lyndon LaRouche and Helga Zepp-LaRouche's discussion with the LaRouche PAC Policy Committee of Tuesday, Dec. 27.) Dave Christie: I have a question, which is, it looks like they're trying to sort of retool Obama for his after-Presidency. In other words, he's setting up his office at the World Wildlife Fund, and he did quite an insane interview where he claimed he could have beat Trump, and "the dream is still alive"; and such really narcissistic kind of rant. My thinking is that, first off, I think the American people have already said they reject Obama and they're not going to fall for it-but any idea of propping him up for some sort of afterlife or being active after the Presidency, would be in effect to intimidate the Democrats, because they never have broken with Obama, and therefore, they have fallen in line with everything that he represents in that sense. So it would almost be to keep them in line. But on the other hand, here we have these war crimes that are being exposed, mass graves in Aleppo, and the ability to actually have Obama put in prison for these sorts of crimes, - well, we should do that I believe. But the question is, how much should that be an emphasis? In other words, as we try to move forward with the New Paradigm, how much effort do we actually want to expend, to have these Nazi forces in the United States brought down, like Obama? How much of an emphasis should there be on that? Lyndon LaRouche: I don't think it'll work. The rejection of Obama, whose chief characteristic was his ability to kill citizens in the United States, regularly, that was his characteristic . . . When he is defeated, in a process of being defeated, he will disappear; or turn up in some prison some place. I wouldn't worry about it. I'd go at the positive things right away and build them up. That's what they need. All the things that used to be skills, productive skills in the working classes-it's all been shattered, destroyed. We have to build up the people who were destroyed by what the Bush family and Obama did! That's the issue. Or we call it the New Bush League-what we're getting here, our option is the New Bush League. That means, at the end of Obama. Helga Zepp-LaRouche: I thought it was funny that Newt Gingrich, who himself is a nasty fellow, used this image of an inflated doll; the air has gone out and it shrinks, and shrinks, and shrinks. That was my first image I had of Obama in 2008, in an editorial I wrote with the headline, "Obama, The Soufflé." [laughter] You know what happens to a soufflé when you treat it badly: it shrinks and collapses. I agree. I think you should go with the new paradigm, and really go with the idea that we absolutely have to leave this era of misery of sixteen years of the Bush/Obama period behind us.